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Start Date 17/11/2015
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Anything produced or operated by the USSR from 1950 - 1990 from the Army, Airforce or Navy.
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Trumpeter 1/72 Tu 16-K Badger G

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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #1 by arrowtrader
Trumpeter 1/72 Tu 16-K Badger G was created by arrowtrader
My next project for this group build is the trumpeter kit 1/72 Tu16 Badger - g version.

This was used from 1969 in a naval capacity. I like how it retained the WW2 like clear nose section and manned tail turret!
I will build the russian version in grey/white finish with two AS6 missiles :cheer:

Photo of box off the internet - will post some kit photos soon.



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3 years 5 months ago #2 by CyNaKyL
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Nice! I always liked the lines of the badger... Can't wait to see this one kick off.

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3 years 5 months ago #3 by Von Drinkoften
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Very cool. B)
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3 years 5 months ago #4 by arrowtrader
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So here's what's in the box...





Individual sprues...















There are 2 more sprues but they have a large quantity of bombs and the chinese "silkworm" missiles which won't get used on this kit.

and finally the decal sheet - am I missing something or are there only 5 red stars - didn't know the russians went along with the USAF scheme ? :unsure:



Hope t make a start on this tonight :cheer:

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3 years 5 months ago #5 by arrowtrader
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Starting with the interior forward..


Painted (no decals here) the main instrument panel - took 2 hours so not much else got done last night. Bit of a waste as this is now all hidden under the dash :huh:
then glued the rest of the parts to the floor of the cockpit. USSR bombers of this era had a kind of 'quilted' olive green interior, and I assumed the floors got a bit scuffed over time, so this is what we have so far.. :)

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3 years 5 months ago #6 by grover
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Great start AT. Pit looks great.

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3 years 5 months ago #7 by Von Drinkoften
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Nice start mate. That nose is going to be tricky to mask off.

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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #8 by azzaob
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Von Drinkoften wrote: Nice start mate. That nose is going to be tricky to mask off.

Too true, I got the Montex mask set for mine. Looks like it will make it a bit easier

Meet the new boss...same as the old boss...
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3 years 5 months ago #9 by Powder
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arrowtrader wrote: and finally the decal sheet - am I missing something or are there only 5 red stars - didn't know the russians went along with the USAF scheme ? :unsure:


If you need a set of 6 stars you can have the ones from this set. They're 12.5mm across from point to point.
I used the Czech markings from the sheet earlier this year and they behaved great.

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3 years 5 months ago #10 by arrowtrader
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Thanks that's a very generous offer but this beast is a lot bigger than a mig17, it's stars are twice the size almost, so probably wouldn't be able to use those. Not a major, I have just never come across a soviet plane with a missing star! But no doubt there's reason for it this time. If after some research I can't find any example I will just scratch build 1 red star.. I read once how the Russian hierarchy used to be very particular about their markings being complete and well presented: during the early stages of development of the mig25 they had two major issues, 1 the plane would go into an uncontrollable spin after launching it's first AA6 and 2 the skin of the tails at mach2.8 got so hot that the red paint melted looking very untidy on landing. You can guess which issue took top priority to fix - we can get other pilots but we need to find a better paint obviously!

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3 years 5 months ago #11 by Powder
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arrowtrader wrote: it's stars are twice the size


Perhaps someone might have some 1/48 decals that would be suitable? Post what size you need.

Also, the Squadron Signal book is viewable here if it's any help:
www.scribd.com/doc/51640904/Squadron-Sig...-16-Badger-in-Action
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3 years 5 months ago #12 by arrowtrader
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Great reference thanks, I looked at this and all the badger G's certainly seem to have all their stars on. Safe to assume trumpeter have just not counted correctly - heck after their backfire nothing would surprise me. The actual size in 1/72 is 22mm across point to point. Thanks again cheers

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3 years 5 months ago #13 by arrowtrader
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azzaob wrote:

Von Drinkoften wrote: Nice start mate. That nose is going to be tricky to mask off.

Too true, I got the Montex mask set for mine. Looks like it will make it a bit easier


So on the topic of masking especially clear parts can anyone suggest the best method. I honestly never used to bother- just use a very fine brush and avoid too much coffee beforehand. Now my standards seem to have got higher and the brush only method will never do. Has anyone tried that masking liquid maskol or similar looks like it might work? I have the Halifax build also which is going to be very fiddly. Thanks for any advice on this cheers

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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #14 by Powder
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I've just got back into aircraft modelling this year so I've been trying a few masking options out.

If a masking set is available for any kit you're building - just get it, it'll save a lot of work.
Something like this should do for your current project:
www.bnamodelworld.com/model-planes-paint...s-montex-mon-sm72148

I tried Microscales liquid Micro-Mask on a MiG canopy I did earlier this year and it didn't work out at all. The stuff is transparent (with a blue tint) and was really difficult to paint accurately on a transparent canopy. Some other liquid masking goo might be more opaque so could be worth trying.

On larger scale stuff people use thing strips of tape to go around the window borders than fill in windows with larger sections. Problem is 1/72 windows can be too small for this method. Also it results in lots of overlapping tape where paint can find it's way underneath - I learnt this on my DHC-2 build. If you can mask a window with just one piece of tape then that's the best option.

For my most recent build I tried something else. My method is described here:
www.kiwimodeller.com/index.php/forum/38-...-kent?start=60#92382
It seems a bit long winded. It probably took half an hour to mask but I'm happy with the result - famous last words - I haven't finished painting yet, so the tape hasn't been removed. :unsure: - Perhaps I shouldn't suggest this method yet. :)
There's a masking set for this kit but I've plenty of old kits in my stash (no masking sets available) so I wanted to find something that would work for those.

Another method is to tape up the entire canopy. Burnish the tape into all the corners with a tooth-pick to show the canopy frames. Then run a blade around all the windows and remove the masking over the framework. I haven't tried this method, mostly due to fear of scratching the canopy. Also I think I'd plan the application of tape to avoid overlapping tape on a window - possibly even just mask one window at a time, cut around the window, remove excess, apply tape to next window, etc.
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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #15 by Von Drinkoften
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I've got these 1/48 scale decals in my spares box left over from the Su-15 build that may be of some use?

This first set is the original Trumpeter decal sheet from the Su-15 kit that I had issues with, and are the largest that I currently have.
The four larger stars are approx. 18mm across and the 2 smaller are 13.5mm across.



This sheet will need spraying with some liquid decal film to prevent them from shattering though.

I've also got these left over Begemot decals that I replaced the above with.
They are smaller though at approx. 14.5mm across and three different types.
Note that I accidentally cut into the top right star, but should still be useable.



If you can use any of them, you can have them... just send me a pm with your postal address.

Masking is not one of my strong points so will leave it to the others to offer advice.
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3 years 5 months ago #16 by Powder
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Von Drinkoften wrote: Masking is not one of my strong points so will leave it to the others to offer advice.


Me neither - but it didn't stop me giving 'advice'. :P
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3 years 5 months ago #17 by arrowtrader
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Made the wings, and the forward fuselage - a complete turnaround from other trumpeter kits - detail is non-existent in the cockpit area and landing gear bays, no kidding - it looks like an old Airfix (or Frog) kit.

Anyhoo..
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3 years 5 months ago #18 by CyNaKyL
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I think this was one of trumpeter's earlier kits so it is a far cry from their current moldings.

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3 years 5 months ago #19 by arrowtrader
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CyNaKyL wrote: I think this was one of trumpeter's earlier kits so it is a far cry from their current moldings.


That would explain a few things :ohmy:

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3 years 5 months ago #20 by Tiger
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Looking good AT even with lack of detail.
A few mods with plastic sheet and wires could make the difference in the wheel bays maybe ?
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3 years 5 months ago #21 by arrowtrader
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Indeed - probably not too late to do something about it- there is no aftermarket kits for this one. I have never tried scratch building detail like this before so could be interesting times ahead.

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3 years 5 months ago #22 by Andrew
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Trumpeter have lifted their game quite a bit from their early releases. Not only aircraft, but armour too. I never built any, but heard some were :sick: to say the least :lol:

Scratchbuilding is fun, just look at Tony (Bishop) with his interiors. Doesn't always have to be 100% accurate, as long as it looks like it should :whistle:

It's a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.
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3 years 5 months ago #23 by arrowtrader
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Powder wrote:

Von Drinkoften wrote: Masking is not one of my strong points so will leave it to the others to offer advice.


Me neither - but it didn't stop me giving 'advice'. :P

:ohmy:
Me neither, so after an appalling attempt at the "total masking tape, remove thin strips with a craft knife" method which nearly ruined the plastic :angry: , I will just return to fine brush and steady hand for this one, and resolve that only time I will mask any clear parts is 1) if there is a masking set included in the kit (go Modelsvit!) or 2) there is a complicated camo pattern over the clear section framing, in which case I will get the masking kit (eg for my Halifax build). I even bought a container of purple Maskol to have a go - don't waste your time. I'm much better at painting in a straight line than cutting <1mm strips of masking tape, and the paint brush doesn't leave scratches in the plastic.

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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #24 by arrowtrader
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Also, the Squadron Signal book is viewable here if it's any help:
www.scribd.com/doc/51640904/Squadron-Sig...-16-Badger-in-Action [/quote]

Thank you again, I had another look at this just in case my suspicions were correct :P , and I discovered that like most of the tupolevs - tu22KD, Tu128, Tu95 etc the doors of the main landing gear are split and there is just enough of an opening when the plane is landed for the gear to get through - the rest is CLOSED. Meaning that instead of scratch building the detail inside the landing gear bay, I just cut the doors at the right place and glue the rest shut - no-one would ever see any 'detail' - too easy :whistle:
small update ---
Actually, even easier - I don't need to cut the doors, when I went to look at how /where I might do this I found they are already supplied as separate parts ;)
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3 years 5 months ago - 3 years 5 months ago #25 by Andrew
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You could try Mr Masking Sol Neo. I think Craig Sargent uses it?

I tried it once, but left it on the project (nee shelf queen) too long and it became difficult to remove.

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3 years 5 months ago #26 by arrowtrader
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Thanks, still keen on the idea of a masking liquid, so will get some of that..

Keeping going - testing the fit of the parts, :unsure: , and glued the fuselage together fitting the gun turrets first.
view of the forward fuselage - not glued in yet..



tail section ...



and how the whole thing might shape up - wings are not glued here yet..



Would not have been my choice to have the (fragile) guns installed at this stage - as you can see there is some significant filling and sanding to do here yet, but that is the only way to install the turrets. Fortunately they can sit quite flush and the turrets turn to move the barrels out of the way.

Went some way towards adding detail to the forward undercarriage doors (which stay open :huh: ) basically a grid pattern of stretched sprue and thinned down filler - less is definitely more.
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3 years 5 months ago #27 by grover
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Nioce progress AT. Is that a big step between the main and forward fuselage?

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3 years 5 months ago #28 by arrowtrader
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Probably not as bad as it looks in the photo :silly: just that isn't glued in yet.

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3 years 5 months ago #29 by grover
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Phew!! (for you) ;)

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3 years 5 months ago #30 by arrowtrader
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Yes its a fairly basic kit, so should be a quick build from here - most of the sprues are already empty!

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