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1/48 Eduard Mirage III Weekend Edition 1 year 2 weeks ago #1

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Having just finished my Nissan Skyline, I cleaned my bench and thought "this doesn't look right....


So I looked in the stash and pulled out a kit I wanted to try. The 1/48 Eduard Mirage III Weekend Edition. I do like me the Mirage family.



Ok, first off, this is not going to be a "Weekend" build, but I am hoping for a build that doesn't take too long. Maybe a month build would be a good target, so by the end of September I hope to have this complete. This is the scheme I will be working on.

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I had also bought the colour photoetch set and mask set last month so I pulled them out.


Looking at the detail, its really nice, but I do wonder if some of the detail like the riveting will get lost in the primer and paint.




I would normally use Stynylrez but for this build I'm going to try natural metal finish using the Vallejo Acrylic metals, so I will be using Tamiya or Gunze gloss black as a base. I need to learn about the Mirage III as I have some questions already. If there are any Mirage experts, please sing out so I can send some questions your way.

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Cool stuff, will be watching this build too Kane.

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Nice choice. I'll be watching. B)

grover wrote: Looking at the detail, its really nice, but I do wonder if some of the detail like the riveting will get lost in the primer and paint.


That is nice detail and it should be okay if you use light coats. I think a fundamental mistake lots of people make is just putting too much paint on the model.
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Great choice Kane. I'm no Mirage expert so can't help with the questions but I think Ian has finished one recently.

Just the other day I was looking at a Weekend Edition Eduard kit in my stash and wondering if it was actually possible to do a good job of it in a weekend. I don't think so. Painting, assembly, painting, masking, painting, clear coat, decals, clear coat, washes - there's just not enough drying time in one weekend - and it wouldn't be worth the stress. So I think you're right to spend a month. :)
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Sweet mate, should be good watching this one come together. I also don't understand how someone can build a model in one weekend - for a good job, not possible... though it would be interesting to see if you could build something in 48 hours... no sleep... hhmmm.....

Also the detail shouldn't go if you use light coats as mentioned above. I had the Eduard BF110 1/48 and it had similar detail in riveting etc - still there quite nicely after a few layers of paint etc. You should be alright.
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Looks like very nice detail. I've almost bought one of their Mig-21 kits, but something in 1/32 always seems to pop up and I buy that instead.

As far as not losing any of that detail and although it would be a fair amount of work, you could always polish the bare plastic with a motor tool fitted with buffer and apply your metallics over that.
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grover wrote: If there are any Mirage experts, please sing out so I can send some questions your way.


Would never, ever call m'self an expert at anything whatsoever, but I do have a few references on the Mirage family, if I can help, I would be happy to.



Powder has a good memory, I finished the old Esci/Italeri IIIO earlier this year.

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Cheers all. Will see how the base coat goes down and if I do lose detail, it will be in the riveting so I will redo it. I think it will lend itself nicely to a metal finish

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IAN wrote:

grover wrote: If there are any Mirage experts, please sing out so I can send some questions your way.


Would never, ever call m'self an expert at anything whatsoever, but I do have a few references on the Mirage family, if I can help, I would be happy to.
Powder has a good memory, I finished the old Esci/Italeri IIIO earlier this year.

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Cheers Ian. I guess it's kinda like crowd-sourcing research :D

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Is this going to be an OOB build? :)

Kane, if you wanted to stretch your legs, you could do a nice Argentine Mirage IIICJ; here are a couple of examples:





The Argies received ex-Israeli Mirages, the difference between the IIIC and the 'CJ was avionics - and the letter 'J', which stood for - without a word of a lie; 'Jew'!
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Cheers Nuuumannn. I'm going to build one of the 2 kit options so I can try a bare metal finish. I would love to do an Argentinian bird one day though.

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I quite like the desert scheme, the first option... hmm... another kit coming up ;)

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Looking forward to seeing your natural metal finish, Kane.

The desert schemes were hangovers from Israeli service and the drop tanks on the first profile are in IDFAF colours. The lower one is weathered to the extent that the desert colours are appearing. A trick to try and replicate on plastic.

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NIce Kane, the mirage was always a very nice looking aircraft. If any of you are wondering how good a kit can look from being finished in a weekend, hopefully G1 can post some pics of some of his weekend builds, honestly they are miles above what a lot of modellers could do in months, let alone a couple of days.

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Thanks guys. Been so busy with work and painting up a cot for baby coming in December, I haven't done too much to get going yet. Not a great sign for my plan to be finished by the end of the month. I did however cut the wing sections and fuselage halves off the sprues, and started familiarising myself with the other sprue trees.


Although I have used the Vallejo Metal acrylics before, I want to get a proper idea of their colour, especially as there seem to be colours that are quite close to each other. I did a test earlier in the year but I didn't have the technique down and flooded the card I was using as a test sheet. This time I'm trying the popular spoon method so grabbed a bunch from the supermarket and sprayed them with Tamiya X1.


I'm also doing a bit of research, and have used OneNote, something i did last year with a big build. This will let me add some notes, marks and stuff, and I can quickly cut things from the web and send directly to OneNote through the Chrome extension. At the moment I'm trying to decipher the paint call outs with the Aluminium colour (highlighted) being specified for both the body, but also what looks like the wing panels that actually look like a different colour. This is probably going to be a case of "go with your gut" and will make the testing of the Metalics more important.

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Alclad if you're OK with painting it, its the way to go!!

Aluminium, dull aluminium or duralium for the wing patches they also do a good pale burnt metal for the gold color they are alos bullet proof with masking.

i have a scale model article which is can scan and send to you he used alclad with amazeballs results

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What waste of spoons - you could have used the cot as the test piece for the metal acrylics. :P

That lower paint 'call out' looks a bit suspicious - why would it go onto the panel with the roundel and not just stop at the wing leading-edge panel.
I wonder if it was originally pointing to the darker grey panel but someone has been a bit clumsy with a mouse and bumped it to the left while laying out the sheet?
Anyway, progress is progress and the month is still young. :)

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I have some Alclads, and have used them successfully in the past and they are great. I also found them to be really fragile. I bought almost the complete set of Vallejo Metallics so thought this would be a great project to really try them out on something large. I also have a couple of the AK metals, but I think these were from the bad batches, even though they were supposed to be fine. If the spoon test doesn't give good results, maybe I do bite the bullet and go with the Alclads, or invest in new AK Extreme Metals?

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Powder wrote: What waste of spoons - you could have used the cot as the test piece for the metal acrylics. :P


lol, I'm just thankful I haven't dragged white interior paint through the house. I've slapped enough of it on this damn cot. :pinch:

Cheers powder, and yup, the call outs aren't quite right, but the kit as a whole looks really nice.

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Good luck with the colouring mate, I'm sure you'll figure it out...

and get time in NOW with building models... coz once baby comes, it's going to be hard to get the time, or energy from 3 or so wake ups in the night :P

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You need to develop the deeper sleeping pattern, the one that is heavier than the wife.................. It's not like she has to go to work the next day................ :evil:

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Gary wrote: You need to develop the deeper sleeping pattern, the one that is heavier than the wife.................. It's not like she has to go to work the next day................ :evil:


:woohoo: OOOooooo - just don't let her hear you say that!

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Gary wrote: You need to develop the deeper sleeping pattern, the one that is heavier than the wife.................. It's not like she has to go to work the next day................ :evil:


haha, I already have that sussed. i could sleep through a hurricane. ;)

Anyway, I got some time tonight to spray the metallics for testing. Marked the spoons before hand


Then light misty coats to put on the colour. It is bloody good value really. 4 drops was more than enough


And soon I had most of the colours tested. I had more colours than I realised though and so had to prime 2 more spoons. Some of the colours look very similar though. I know they mix but it might be hard to get a consistent colour if needing another mix

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You need to develop the deeper sleeping pattern, the one that is heavier than the wife


I work night shift and so to block out any noise being made by the world around me during the day I shove in the little foam ear plugs. Works a treat, although they took a bit of getting used to. They help when the wife's not all that pleased with me, too...

Looks like quite a bit of preparation; natural metal finishes must be tricky. I've never done one.

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The biggest thing with any metal finish is that it will show any imperfections in the surface of the model so preparing the kit before paint is very important. The only reason I'm spraying the spoons is to see what each color looks like. I won't need to do this again, and some of the other metallic paint like alclad come in clear glass bottles, so you can see their colour much easier.

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Nice work with the spoons, least you have that reference now with any metallic finishes you are looking for, and will be able to put them side-by-side and see what the contrast is going to be. Cool

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Yeah K2, it will be helpful. Also learned that different colour base coats will give different shades too which makes sense. Aparantly light gloss blue is great for a chrome look. Here's the spoons side by side, and one thing about using the acrylic is althought they aren't as metallic as say Alclads, they are so much more robust and handle-able. If it was an Alclad I would not be touching and gloss coating as soon as possible.
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